Hey all,

I am trying to finish up the next update any need your input.

I won't get into too many details right now, but basically the next feature gives you the ability to tweak certain things in BTGTD.

As a quick example, a level 12 player will get 12 points to spend to customize their BTGTD games. Here is what I have so far :

Extra Time : For each point spent in this they will get 1 extra second between waves.

Extra Lives : For each point spent in this they will start off with an additional life.

Extra Gold : For each point spent in this they will receive 5 extra initial gold.

Extra Powerups : For each point spent in this they will receive an extra initial powerup.

Weaker Bosses : For each point spent in this the bosses will have 5% less hitpoints than normal.


Ok, that is what I came up with so far. I'd like to have at least 9.

Keep in mind, if a user spends 4 points in "Weaker Bosses" that would mean all bosses would spawn with 20% less HP than normal.

Any other ideas?

Maybe a boost to a tower of choice, like 5% per point or something.

Also, should there be a cap on amount of points you can spend on a single thing? '20 points invested in Weaker Bosses would be 0 HP?'

Ya, the cap is 12 points per item. Obviously the numbers I stated before can be changed if it seems unbalanced.

extra time : i think we should at least be able to dont allow it,because the map were there are no delay will avantage ALOT these players

extra live :same thing, but for the map like, spin till you die (1 life) they will also get advantage a lot

extra gold: not that bad.

extra power up: bof, some players could get like 6k more point than the other

weak boss : no, definitly no, i dont like, i love the fact that the boss offer good challenge



FINAL CONCLUSION : no

and what about the giga lvl 30 guy, he spend all in time, and then build up volcano, to become invincible?

hope the have help

Thanks for the input so far. This isn't really a feature you decide if you want or not... I've spent the last week working on it and don't feel like throwing it away (there was also a thread on this idea a few weeks back and people seemed to love the idea).

Like I said before, all numbers can be changed. I could make it for every 2 points spent in time you gain 1 second between levels. Also remember there is a cap of 12 points per item.

You did bring up a good point. I will make it so the tournament creator can allow/disallow certain abilities.... so if they make a 'no delay' map they can turn off the ability to have the time bonuses.

Keep the feedback and ideas coming!

Just tossing out ideas :

Harder Bosses: Every boss creep has 5% more hitpoints but give 1% more gold

Just out of my head:

Slower creeps: For each point spent in this the creeps are 1% Slower

Faster Upgrade Time: For each point spent in this upgrades the upgrade times are 5% faster

Faster Sell Time: For each point spent in this the sell time (and sell time Increment?) is 5% faster (increment lower)

Cheaper Upgrades: each point makes Uprades 1% cheaper

Better Reseel: Each point adds 1% to the sell value (with 10 points non upgradet boom tower would sell for 85)

And an other one:

Fire faster: for each point towers shoot 1% faster

And a 12 points maximum seems strange, why not 10?

I like the boost towers upgrade, so please allwo me to expand on that:
- boost speed; every point gives x% extra speed
- boost power; every point gives x% extra power
- boost range; every point gives x area extra range

Why stop with weaker bosses, weaker creeps can also be an (expensive) advantage...

On the extra life, I would spend more than 1 point per life ;-)

level 12 is not that difficult to reach, (I made it to 11 in two weeks or so) so I guess this is feasable.

I only chose 12 points maximum just cause it fit nicely in the space provided, lol (just finishing up the user interface now).

I can chnage it to 5, 8, 10, 15... whatever... 12 is just what I came up with initially.

Obviously each upgrade has to be very minor. I don't want someone that is level 20 to own a level 5 just cause they have 15 points extra to spend.

You'll notice that most of the upgrades give a minor advantage... Just cause the level 20 might have a a few extra lives and a couple extra powerups, doesn't mean the level 5 can't beat him.

If any upgrade seems to give too much advantage then I will tweak it so that it's fair.

The main idea behind this featuer is to make levelign up have a purpose.... it's not to make the higher level players unbeatable.

Also keep in mind I have it set to cost 25 geek points to use a point in any upgrade. So a player can't just shuffle around the points (without a cost) before entering different tournaments.

The problem with this system is it gives good players an even bigger advantage if it is based on exp. I think it should work in the opposite direction - I.E. as a new player you could spend more points on advantages like weak boss etc.

Later on you could be able to 'buy' permanent upgrades with these points - e.g. a new tower. This makes tournaments more interesting as your purchase decisions would have a direct impact on your ability to score well. This system will also add some balancing challenges.

Ideas for things to spend points on:
- new towers.
- cancel out sell timer increments (for jugglers)
- send boss to friend - I.E. next time they play a game an extra random boss wave hits them.
- upgrade towers - e.g. permanently upgrade sniper with more hit points. etc. etc.

"Keep it simple stupid"

Ouch, I guess that was directed at me :(

Someone had suggested this feature a bit ago and everyone seemed to like it. Oh well.

No it wasn't aimed at you :)

I don't see anything wrong with the feature - it just needs to be carefully balanced. It seems to me that there is a huge gap between the hardcore players and new players.

Ya, The feature is really just for fun. I do not want the feature to give good players a big advantage (or even a small advantage).

The upgrades are meant to be so small they make very little difference.... but add value to leveling up.

None of the upgrades I mentioned have been implemented yet in the game... I just finished the user interface for placing your points today (adding the upgrades to the game is the easy part and won't take me long).

This is why I want feedback from the community to see what features you want. I don't want to fix something that isn't broken... just add value.

Spartacus> Thanks man! I've been waiting for this for so long.

alchemist, carlnini & all opposing the idea> I think that Spartacus clearly stated that this is not a discussion IF, but HOW&WHAT... And if you think again you might see some point in awarding achievements. Currently your level is used for 2 things:
- to impress girls (or geeks? LOL :)
- to determine if you can participate in a tournament

Focus on the last one - if you don't want players with too much bonus points in your tournaments - you can set a rule to your likings. On the other hand - some people will create games for let's say level10+, where you HAVE to use the bonus points, which will make planning/playing more difficult/enjoyable/geekish...

Here are some ideas, some are already mentioned, but some are new:
- tower bonuses (damage, range, speed, lower price...)
- ability to upgrade a tower from level 1 to the max level in one go (for the combined cost of all upgrades, or a bit cheaper?)
- new towers:
-- poison (small damage on infected bugs per sec)
-- shock (X% chance to stop all creatures in radius for Y seconds)
-- mind games (X% chance to confuse the creep and make it go backwards)
-- assassin (X% chance of instant death, regardless of health points)

The last 4 can be included as extra features in some of the existing towers, actually it might be better. For example pellet tower, after level 3 for $80 can become "poison pellet".

Anyways, I'm looking forward to the new extras, whatever they are :)